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Re: Pollution causing Florida to (literally) dissolve 1 Year, 11 Months ago Karma: 75
Thanks for finding and posting this Earl.
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Re: Pollution causing Florida to (literally) dissolve 1 Year, 11 Months ago Karma: 273
Earl wrote:
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Article quote-

So much water was pumped that more than 65 sinkholes opened in the area and wells went dry.

Final sentence, talk about "kissing the Developers/big Agriculture's ass" (as we'd say)-


"There are a lot of variables," said Arthur. "Sinkholes are naturally occurring. Regardless of human activity they would occur."


All in all, the article does state what we've been saying and seeing for years.

Take care
Earl



Thanks for the additional material Earl!

Indeed, this seems to be a man-made problem, but my original post only examined 1/2 of the issue. So we have the acidic (polluted) rainfall eroding the ground structure, making it brittle like an eggshell. And then compounding the effect we have over-use of the water-supply -- draining the water table and EXPOSING these egg-shell layers.

I wonder what PLANET the Oligarchs plan living on once they have finished "developing" this one...???


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Re: Pollution causing Florida to (literally) dissolve 1 Year, 11 Months ago Karma: 75
Jeff Nielson wrote:

I wonder what PLANET the Oligarchs plan living on once they have finished "developing" this one...???

Perhaps one of the factors is that the Homo Sapien population of the planet is simply too high to be sustainable. I have no way of reliably assessing this the way a serious scientist would, but it seems like a possibility to me. I find it difficult to imagine that nature views us as being particularly special or sacrosanct.
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Re: Pollution causing Florida to (literally) dissolve 1 Year, 11 Months ago Karma: 273
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Pandora's box is an artifact in Greek mythology, taken from the myth of Pandora's creation in Hesiod's Works and Days.[1] The "box" was actually a large jar (πίθος pithos)[2] given to Pandora (Πανδώρα) ("all-gifted", "all-giving"),[3] which contained all the evils of the world.

Today, the phrase "to open Pandora's box" means to perform an action that may seem small or innocuous, but that turns out to have severe and far-reaching consequences.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_box


www.tampabay.com/news/business/banking/p...rop-coverage/1182526

Tuesday, July 26, 2011

TALLAHASSEE — The state-run property insurer took a step toward imposing massive rate hikes for sinkhole insurance Tuesday, tentatively approving new premiums that would force many policy holders to either pay thousands of dollars more next year or drop coverage altogether.

The rate hikes — more than 2,000 percent in parts of Tampa Bay and an average of 429 percent statewide — will be considered by the full Citizens Property Insurance board today before heading to the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation for final approval.

Citizens actuaries say the new rates, which could cost some customers an additional $4,000 a year, are necessary because current premiums don't cover payouts for sinkhole claims.

In Tampa the average premium for a sinkhole policy would increase from $156 to $3,651. In coastal Pasco County, rates would rise from $1,270 to $3,598. In coastal Hernando County, premiums would soar from $1,356 to $5,734.

That's on top of normal property insurance rate changes.

Any questions type in Florida Sinkhole Lawyers - Earl



Putting this together with the other materials, there is an OBVIOUS solution to the sink-hole insurance problem. Since the golf-course owners and Agriculture Oligarchs are the ones CAUSING the problem, they should obviously FUND the insurance. Whatever sort of surtax is necessary to FULLY indemnify other property owners.


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Re: Pollution causing Florida to (literally) dissolve 1 Year, 11 Months ago Karma: 75
Jeff Nielson wrote:
Putting this together with the other materials, there is an OBVIOUS solution to the sink-hole insurance problem. Since the golf-course owners and Agriculture Oligarchs are the ones CAUSING the problem, they should obviously FUND the insurance. Whatever sort of surtax is necessary to FULLY indemnify other property owners.

Perhaps you should come south of the border and run for governor of Florida or any number of other U.S. states for that matter.
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Florida: Sinkhole capital of the world 1 Year, 10 Months ago Karma: 273
Obviously I was VERY mistaken in describing sinkholes as a "rare" phenomenon -- at least in the Sinkhole Capital of the World: Florida. In this (literally) rotten state, "sinkholes could theoretically form anywhere" -- according to a mainstream article just out on the subject.

However, that's not the truly amazing part. What's amazing is that EVERYONE knows the problem will get much, much worse; but no one cares. The Bloomberg shill in this article does little more than mouth the word "progress" and then shrug her shoulders.



Why does no one care? Because the ONLY way to reverse or at least halt the trend would be to manage its water resources in a responsible manner, reduce pollution, and halt reckless expansion. However "polluting", being "irresponsible", and/or being "reckless" describes virtually EVERYTHING that the Oligarchs do -- and so nothing will EVER be done about the sinkhole problem.

Ironically, this is a WONDERFUL metaphor for the mortgage-fraud problem in the U.S., and not surprisingly Florida is one of the capitals there, too.

As a Florida homeowner, it's not much different going to bed at night in "their home" and being swallowed up by the Earth, never to be seen again; or going to sleep at night and waking up to next morning to find out some judge has decided they no longer OWN "their home" due to some fraud-related title defect.

NOTHING is being done about that either. Forget about dreams of "secure title". In some parts of the U.S. (notably Florida) people no longer have "secure land". One day you're a homeowner. The next day you own a very large, and very expensive HOLE.




In Florida, Sinkhole Risks Grow With Urban Expansion


www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-05...rban-expansion#r=rss

There must be something about Florida. In spite of regular hurricanes and alligator attacks, the state keeps growing: Its population is on track to hit 20 million by 2015, making it the third-biggest state in the union.

With all this growth comes a further quality-of-life problem: Sinkholes. Thrust into the national spotlight last week after a homeowner died when his house collapsed, the sinkhole that killed Jeff Bush wasn’t even one of the state’s 15,000 verified sinkholes, which are located mainly in central Florida and around Tampa. Plenty are unverified, according to research from CoreLogic. Springhill, on the state’s west coast, has the greatest number of verified sinkholes, with 3,145—roughly one for every 31 residents. Hernando, Pasco, Hillsborough, and Pinellas counties are home to an area known as “sinkhole alley.”

No location in the entire state can say it features zero chance of sinkholes. “Since the entire state is underlain by carbonate rocks, sinkholes could theoretically form anywhere,” according to lakecountyfl.gov. Most construction sites are not tested.

“They’re a fact of life in [many parts of] Florida,” says Howard Botts, a geographer and vice president of database development for CoreLogic’s spatial solutions group. As cities grow, requiring more water to be pumped out of the ground, it will only get worse, he adds.

From 2006 to 2010 the number of sinkhole claims in Florida tripled, costing insurers a total $1.4 billion over the period, according to a report (PDF) by the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation. In response to insurers’ claims that many claims were fraudulent and burdensome to the industry, the Florida legislature passed a law limiting sinkhole coverage in 2011.

Attorney Josh Burnett says the change has made it hard for Florida homeowners to get meaningful sinkhole coverage. Despite the reduction in coverage, sinkhole insurance premiums have increased—for example, the rate for sinkhole coverage this year rose 21.4 percent at Citizens Property Insurance, Florida’s largest property insurer. The number of sinkhole claims received by Citizens already had decreased by 30.4 percent in 2012.

Outside Florida, no major U.S. cities have natural sinkhole problems, says Botts, although underground pipes can burst and wash away dirt that supports roads, or an underground mine could collapse. As human impact increases, he says, so will the risks.
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Re: Florida: Sinkhole capital of the world 1 Year, 10 Months ago Karma: 232
Jeff,

A state riddled with fraud "Pandora's box".

Carl Hiaasen: This Florida citizen outraged by Citizens insurance


www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/02/3261942/t...-outraged.html#morer

By Carl Hiaasen
chiaasen@miamiherald.com

Rick Scott campaigned for governor on the promise of running Florida like a big business, but the one big business that Florida actually runs is out of control.
(NOTE- Rick Scott- In 1997, Rick Scott was implicated in the biggest Medicare fraud case in US history, stepping down as CEO of Columbia/HCA after the hospital giant was fined $1.7 billion and found guilty of swindling the government).
www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/03/rick-sc...s-drug-fraud-enabler
Another Texas businessman- He earned a business degree and law degree and joined a Dallas firm where he became partner. His net worth was almost $219 million USD in 2010, but by 2011 was estimated at $103 million.[3] He spent an estimated $75 million of his own money on his successful 2010 run for Governor of Florida.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott

Citizens Property Insurance Corp. was created a decade ago, supposedly to help residents afford hurricane coverage for their homes. With 1.3 million policyholders, Citizens is the state’s largest insurer of property.

And it’s been managed about as carefully as amateur night at your local strip joint. In fact, that’s where one happy Citizens worker liked to use his company credit card.

Last year Citizens jacked up its rates almost 11 percent, and now it wants legislative approval to go much, much higher.

The cost of insuring a home already is one of the heaviest financial loads carried by Florida families. If you wonder what happens to all the hefty premiums, an investigative series by the Herald and the Tampa Bay Times presents an enlightening snapshot.

Basically, the money’s flying all over the place.

According to the state’s chief inspector, Citizens’ employees and some board members somehow piled up $1.3 million in travel expenses between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31 last year.

The tab includes a $633-a-night hotel stay in Bermuda for the company Chief Financial Officer Sharon Binnun, as well as expensive visits to Switzerland and London. She jetted through a total of four countries and racked up $35,000 in charges.

Citizens customers (and I’m one of them) are rightfully curious about the pretense upon which a Florida insurance executive would travel to such exotic places and claim it as a business trip.

Meanwhile, senior managers who weren’t flying anywhere still got reimbursed on more than 50 occasions for meals in their own hometowns. That’s a sweet deal for them, but a sour one for policy holders and taxpayers who bailed out the company after the last bad storm season.

Despite the swelling scandal about overspending at Citizens, the current president, Barry Gilway, handed out fat raises to loyal executives including Binnun, his passport-flashing CFO.

Scott has expressed dismay over the unseemly pay hikes raises and exorbitant travel, and wants to ban board members from international jaunts. His long view is to shrink Citizens and attract other big insurance firms into Florida as competition, which he says will lead to lower premiums.

Stop laughing. The man really said that.

Citizens was devised as a choice of last resort because real insurance companies were bailing out of the state. They didn’t want to pay out any more hurricane claims.

To now suggest that they’re eager to come back to the market and actually lower their rates confirms that the governor is living in some weird, parallel universe. He’s not alone — lawmakers are pushing the same idea, which will send premiums through the roof.

The problem with Citizens is not that it’s backed by the state. The problem is that Tallahassee isn’t paying attention to what the company’s doing.

Start with the big stuff — $604 million in outside contracts with private vendors, often in the absence of bidding. Or the $2.5 million that Citizens “accidentally” overpaid to another insurance company (the funds were discovered by a state auditor and recouped).

On a smaller scale, one enterprising underwriter used the Citizens mailroom and computers to promote her line of female sex toys — battery-operated entertainment for those long hurricane power outages.

The underwriter was eventually fired, though other workers who ran side businesses on company time were not. An investigation by Citizens’ own Office of Corporate Integrity showed that the company had spent more than $2.4 million hiring lawyers to investigate various allegations of internal misconduct.

More unsettling: Citizens paid out about $750,000 in severance to employees, many of whom had been caught doing wrong. One executive who allegedly had an affair with a co-worker received a total bye-bye package of $120,000.

Soon after its Office of Corporate Integrity began to reveal misspending and misdeeds at the top level, Citizens responded decisively. It fired the four investigators and disbanded the Office of Corporate Integrity.

Even Rick Scott says there might be something fishy about that.

Under pressure, Citizens last week made public a list of 474 internal complaints that ran the gamut from workplace pornography to fraud, theft and discrimination.

The company’s Internal Auditor, Joe Martins, says Citizens did a sterling job of handling all these cases. He’s also the same stiff who abolished the Office of Corporate Integrity.

Clearly the leadership of Citizens has forgotten who it’s working for, and where its billions in cash are flowing from — the people of Florida.

They might not get to vote on their insurance company, but they do get to vote for their governor and their legislators. Keep raising the premiums, and watch for a storm in November.

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/02/3261942/t...#morer#storylink=cpy

Reminder-
www.tampabay.com/news/business/banking/p...rop-coverage/1182526

[quote]Tuesday, July 26, 2011

TALLAHASSEE — The state-run property insurer took a step toward imposing massive rate hikes for sinkhole insurance Tuesday, tentatively approving new premiums that would force many policy holders to either pay thousands of dollars more next year or drop coverage altogether.

The rate hikes — more than 2,000 percent in parts of Tampa Bay and an average of 429 percent statewide — will be considered by the full Citizens Property Insurance board today before heading to the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation for final approval.

Citizens actuaries say the new rates, which could cost some customers an additional $4,000 a year, are necessary because current premiums don't cover payouts for sinkhole claims.

In Tampa the average premium for a sinkhole policy would increase from $156 to $3,651. In coastal Pasco County, rates would rise from $1,270 to $3,598. In coastal Hernando County, premiums would soar from $1,356 to $5,734.

That's on top of normal property insurance rate changes.

Any questions type in Florida Sinkhole Lawyers - Earl[/quote]

A little history, of "Developers/Big Agriculture" the beginning-

Henry Morrison Flagler (January 2, 1830 – May 20, 1913) was an American industrialist and a founder of Standard Oil. He was also a key figure in the development of the eastern coast of Florida along the Atlantic Ocean and was founder of what became the Florida East Coast Railway. He is known as the father of Miami, Florida and also founded Palm Beach, Florida
.[2]

After the failure of his salt business in Saginaw, Flagler returned to Bellevue and reentered the grain business as a commission merchant with The Harkness Grain Company. Through this business, Flagler became acquainted with John D. Rockefeller, who worked as a commission agent with Hewitt and Tuttle for the Harkness Grain Company. By the mid-1860s, Cleveland had become the center of the oil refining industry in America and Rockefeller left the grain business to start his own oil refinery. Rockefeller worked in association with chemist and inventor Samuel Andrews.

In 1867, Rockefeller, needing capital for his new venture, approached Flagler. Flagler obtained $100,000 from family member Stephen V. Harkness on the condition that Flagler be made a partner. The Rockefeller, Andrews & Flagler partnership was formed with Flagler in control of Harkness' interest.[5] The partnership eventually grew into the Standard Oil Corporation.

Just a sample-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Development_Corporation

As each community started the developer built the roads, sewer and water plants, golf courses, marinas, other basic amenities and even operated landfills. These new communities had the feel of "company towns." When North Port was incorporated GDC employees even made up the first City Council.

In the late 1980s GDC's management team was accused of fraudulent home sales: this led to criminal indictments of the company leadership, and bankruptcy of GDC in 1991. Functional assets held by GDC in various cities were turned over to their respective governments thereafter.

Subsequent to the indictments and convictions of senior management, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals exonerated the men, reversing their convictions and directing that all charges against them be dismissed (see US v. Brown, 79 F.3rd 1550 (1996), for a complete discussion of the case and a general exoneration of General Development Corporation.

In Orlando FL

The Disney Development Company is a fully owned subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company, incorporated in Florida. Its primary role has been in the design and construction of certain resort and shopping areas within the Walt Disney World Resort, and the development of the planned community, Celebration, FL.

Jeff,

The corruption is amazing. You can "vote" on that.

“They’re a fact of life in [many parts of] Florida,” says Howard Botts, a geographer and vice president of database development for CoreLogic’s spatial solutions group. As cities grow, requiring more water to be pumped out of the ground, it will only get worse, he adds.


Pandora's box - The "box" was actually a large jar given to Pandora which contained all the evils of the world.


The more you look the "DEEPER" it gets. Literally !!!

Thank You
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Re: Florida: Sinkhole capital of the world 1 Year, 10 Months ago Karma: 273
Earl, there are a few Members here who like to have fun "pushing my 'hot' buttons" now and then (not naming any "names", Debsyl). But now it looks like I'm doing the same with you.



All I can say in my own defense is that I'm not intentionally trying to raise your blood-pressure (lol). Of course, perhaps the larger/more general question here is this: if the rest of us spent as much time "poking around" and seeing what our own governments (and/or their "agents") are doing as Earl has; would we ALL find the stench of corruption equally powerful in our OWN home province/state???



P.S. I've spent a little time mentioning "corruption" in my own province: having $BILLIONS to spend hosting our "Olympics" party-for-the-rich in 2010 -- while "leading Canada" in child-poverty year after year.

Our (former) long-time Premier was caught drunk-driving in Hawaii -- just weeks after bringing in "tough new rules" to punish "drinking drivers" when the Little People are caught committing the same crime.

Premier Gordon Campbell announced he was "taking responsibility" for his criminal conviction...by doing absolutely nothing. Perhaps that's because he was too busy "privatizing" the province -- i.e. selling-off assets to party-insiders like all-day suckers...???

It's not "just Florida"...

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Re: Florida: Sinkhole capital of the world 1 Year, 10 Months ago Karma: 232
Jeff,


Earl, there are a few Members here who like to have fun "pushing my 'hot' buttons" now and then (not naming any "names", Debsyl). But now it looks like I'm doing the same with you.

All I can say in my own defense is that I'm not intentionally trying to raise your blood-pressure (lol). Of course, perhaps the larger/more general question here is this: if the rest of us spent as much time "poking around" and seeing what our own governments (and/or their "agents") are doing as Earl has; would we ALL find the stench of corruption equally powerful in our OWN home province/state???


Personally, I love when people respond about there own areas. I feel it gives a "real view".

Myself, the "sink hole" issue has so many contributors. Thus, the reference to "Pandora's box".

If it wasn't for the community relaying what they see- I'd never know the "Chem Trails" of Germany are just like we see in Florida.


You wouldn't know it from the news, but there's a major fossil-fuel spill ongoing in the North Sea off the coast of Scotland. A leak from a gas platform operated by the French energy company Total SA was first detected on March 25 and has been spilling around 7 million cu. ft. (200,000 cu m) of natural gas every day since.


Zakat and the real truth of "a world far away from my own".

Just to name a few items we are blessed to have a direct "report" on.

If anyone pushes any buttons- go to Musical Musing- "Ah, Ah" and vent.

Thank You, each and everyone-
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Golfer OK after sinkhole scare

Mar 12, 2013 11:10 AM ETAssociated Press

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WATERLOO, Ill. -- When it comes to dealing with this divot, score one for golfer Mark Mihal.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the mortgage broker from Creve Coeur, Mo., is recovering after a sinkhole opened up beneath him Friday on the fairway at the 14th hole of a southwestern Illinois golf course.


The pit that swallowed him was 18 feet deep and 10 feet wide.

Mihal, 43, was hoisted to safety with a rope. The encounter at Annbriar Golf Course near Waterloo just southeast of St. Louis left him with a dislocated shoulder.

Although Mihal says he still considers the course one of his favorites, he's having second thoughts about returning there, saying "it'd be kind of strange playing that hole again, for sure."
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